
So anon raised an interesting point in the comments section of a previous post, in regards to men and women being friends:
And on the question about if we are just trying to foster a friendship, we do not want to be friends with you. That is not meant in a mean way, but we don’t want to be friends.
Also, Samantha Jones bluntly put it: "Women are for friendship, men are for f*$&ing".
I am not sure my thoughts on this personally. I actually think almost everyone has some opposite sex friends, especially in the form of coworkers, former classmates, friends' significant others, or friends of one's significant other. I definitely have some male friends - friendships I've fostered through all of the above circumstances. I mean, why not? Friendship makes the road easier and helps us get through the hard times (Kleenex?) - I mean, look at my friendship with Emily. A terrible situation brought us together - if we hadn't found each other in that mess, I'm afraid to think of what could have happened.
Anyhow.
I do think guys and girls can be just friends. I think, though, a large factor is how good of friends they are - of course a casual friendship is easily understandable. However, if we're talking really good friends/best friends, then there might be issues. I think, personally, as Piper pointed out in a previous post - it all depends on if that's been worked out. I think as long as both parties are not interested in more than a friendship, then everything is ok. Throughout life, I've had multiple decently close guy friends (and they are the kind of guys who happened to often have close female friends - perhaps there's a certain type of guy best suited for this).
Anon also pointed out in his post that perhaps if there is more communication amongst men/women, there would be less confusion. I think that's probably one of the best perks of an opposite sex friend - getting a guy's opinion on stuff. That, and sometimes, situationally, friendships just happen based on circumstance/proximity/what have you, and it's not like dating someone - the gender doesn't really matter.
However, there's some Dave Matthews quote out there (which obnoxiously infiltrated many of AIM profiles back in college):
A guy and a girl can be just friends, but at one point or another, they will fall for each other...Maybe temporarily, maybe at the wrong time, maybe too late, or maybe forever.
Here's my take on this - I think if the man is interested in more than a friendship, he knows this from the beginning. However, if he is not interested in the woman as more than a friend at the start, I personally don't see him becoming interested, despite becoming closer to her emotionally, etc. Simply, men know if they are attracted to someone or not, and this generally doesn't change. However, with women, I can definitely see things going the other way, because women have a tendency to feel attracted to men they feel close with and comfortable to (as opposed to it being based solely on physical appearance). So, in short, I don't think a guy will fall for his female friend unless he feels that way about her off the bat, but I can see a woman falling for her male friend over time.
Anyhow. Your thoughts? Is it possible for a guy and girl to be very close friends/best friends without one falling for each other? Are women more likely to fall for their male friends, or vice versa? Do you believe in male/female friendships?
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Girls expect friends to uphold a certain standard, and a guy can do that - if he doesn't already have a girlfriend.
I am under the impression that guys can only be the type of support that girls look for in a friend to one person - and that person is his or her girlfriend. Therefore, you can be friends - but the second that guy friend becomes involved with another girl, the girl friend gets frustrated with the situation because the guy friend isn't as fun/attentive/supportive as he once was.
It is a VERY complicated situation.
However, I have to say - I think guy friends can be way less drama than girls, so sometimes they are just better.
I generally dont do men friendships. Why? Because every last one I had in the past was eventually compromised by something the men did to make me uncomfortable. Lewd joke, ass grabby, weird comment, which led me to believe none of those guys valued my friendship more than the possibility of a makeout or etc.
I'm sure there are men capable of truly platonic friendships with people of the opposite gender that are nurturing and fulfilling, but I hate awkward situations and so I've found it as fulfilling to hang out with my numerous brothers if I want some diversity of gender.
I would definitely count Mike as my best friend but as you know we've been dating for a period that amounts to 7 years so he's skeeved out of the purely platonic category.
Hmm. Some interesting thoughts here. I am not sure, Courtney, that I agree with the idea that guy friends can only be a certain kind of friend to one girl. However, I guess that leads into the issue of can a guy and girl be BEST friends.... I think a guy can be a good supportive friend to multiple women, not just his girlfriend. However, I do think when either the male or the female enters a serious relationship, the dynamic of the friendship might change - I am not sure if that is partially because when everyone enters a serious relationship, he/she might find him/herself spending more time with the significant other and consequently less time with his/her friends (no matter the gender), or if it is also a factor of the opposite sex friendship connundrum.
Anyhow.
I, personally, really like male friendships. I like the low maintenance-ness of them. I like the lack of gossipy-ness of them - or, at least, the lack of interest in the same kind of gossip, so I usually feel with guy friends, I can trust that personal things I say won't be repeated. Also, most guys I've been friends with have the same sarcastic sense of humor I do, so that is always good. I like that a guy will usually say directly if he's upset about something, instead of making some weird passive/aggressive comment.
I do think, as Angelique brings up, it's ideal to have one's boyfriend as her best friend. Hmm.
Okay when I said that we do not want to be friends with you, I meant within the context of the “we should hang out” statement. In this particular situation our motives are not friendship. I absolutely believe guys and girls can be good friends. I have a number of very good female friends and one of my absolute best friends is a girl. None of these friendships are a result of a “we should hang out” statement however; they are all girls who I went to school with for years or met through a friend. Also, I think girls are much more likely to stay in or pursue a “friendship” in hopes of it developing into something more than guys are. There are two lines guys fear and will try at all costs not to cross, the “relationship line” with girls we want a friendship with, and the “friendship line” with girls we want a relationship with. We know that both of these lines are points of no return and are to be avoided. So instead of staying in a friendship and running the risk of being caught in the “friend zone”, guys will retreat and regroup often forsaking both the relationship and friendship for fear of crossing the “friend line”. As long as we have not crossed over there is still hope however slim it might be!!
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